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Hi Folks! Thanks for waiting!
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We will be letting you into the event in just a few minutes
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Hello from vancouver
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will this conversation be recorded?
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mexico
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Hello fom Cupertino CA
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Toronto ON :)
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Coming from Oakland, CA!
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Justyna Badach from Philadelphia
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I am from Oakland, CA, USA.
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switzerland
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New York
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Brooklyn
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Brooklyn, NY
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Portland, OR
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in LA, hi!
11:59:54 From brewster kahle to Everyone:
dweb
11:59:55 From mark seiden to Everyone:
scam
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cryptokitties!
11:59:57 From Nick to Everyone:
Bitcoin??
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Fishy
12:00:00 From YARcce to Everyone:
Patents
12:00:01 From Maggie Murphy to Everyone:
blockchain??
12:00:03 From Julian Kilkenny to Everyone:
art
12:00:04 From Matt J, PDT to Everyone:
NFTs: Scam
12:00:05 From d0n.xyz to Everyone:
receipts
12:00:07 From lisafreund to Everyone:
unsure
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scam
12:00:08 From Evgeny Bazhanov to Everyone:
magic
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$
12:00:12 From traffic lights to Everyone:
miracle
12:00:14 From Orla Tiffney to Everyone:
Misunderstood
12:00:16 From Gilles Zeimet to Everyone:
Tulip mania
12:00:17 From September to Everyone:
What?
12:00:18 From Tre Balchowsky to Everyone:
MLM
12:00:19 From Matt J, PDT to Everyone:
I don't understand NFTs
12:00:21 From Brookhawk to Everyone:
ownership
12:00:34 From d0n.xyz to Everyone:
Δ scheme
12:00:37 From Philip to Everyone:
capitalism
12:00:47 From sarah to Everyone:
ancient asset class
12:00:51 From Christina L. to Everyone:
"Confusing".
12:01:00 From Alex K to Everyone:
Polarized
12:01:09 From brewster kahle to Everyone:
registration
12:01:11 From Sandeep Gupta to Everyone:
"what!?"
12:01:15 From Jenica Jessen to Everyone:
Overhyped
12:01:18 From Lucy A. Sames to Everyone:
Elon musk urgh
12:01:30 From Chris Moses to Everyone:
Fungible?
12:01:34 From Brookhawk to Everyone:
Metaverse
12:01:58 From traffic lights to Everyone:
love
12:02:01 From mark seiden to Everyone:
there’s a non fungus amungus
12:02:16 From Stefan Damian to Everyone:
potentially good for artists / or maybe an utopia
12:02:39 From Ken Berkun to Everyone:
Bullshit
12:02:45 From Micah Fitch to Everyone:
digital receipt
12:02:53 From Ken Berkun to Everyone:
Seattle
12:02:58 From traffic lights to Everyone:
metamodernism
12:03:00 From duncan to Everyone:
most altcoins are nonfungible because bitcoin is
12:03:22 From Mai Ishikawa Sutton (she/they) to Everyone:
To read all the principles and endorse them, visit: https://getdweb.net/principles
12:04:55 From Mai Ishikawa Sutton (she/they) to Everyone:
Our Code of Conduct: https://getdweb.net/code-of-conduct/
12:08:44 From Travis FW to Everyone:
The ruins of the IA headquarters in a dystopian future?
12:10:33 From Brookhawk to Everyone:
https://www.cryptovoxels.com/
12:10:38 From Peter Etherington to Everyone:
thank you!
12:11:18 From Brookhawk to Everyone:
https://twitter.com/webaverse
12:13:03 From Tre Balchowsky to Everyone:
How do you prove that you created the art piece?
12:13:10 From duncan to Everyone:
what algorithm does metaverse blockchain use? what is the current difficulty?
12:13:33 From vera to Everyone:
Jin: do you have cameras on your body that track your motions?
12:13:51 From Benjamin De Kosnik to Everyone:
can the non-avatar name and URL of jin be posted again? Sorry
12:14:14 From Brookhawk to Everyone:
How do you prove that you created the art piece? same way in real world.
12:14:25 From Mark Mavroudis to Everyone:
Did he create it? He said he “took” it from a discord
12:14:26 From Trislit to Everyone:
I believe he goes by danker on twitter
12:14:35 From Wendy Hanamura to Everyone:
@dankvr
12:14:36 From Trislit to Everyone:
Dankvr
12:14:40 From Brookhawk to Everyone:
I like to know the artist and their are, videos of them making art etc
12:14:47 From Benjamin De Kosnik to Everyone:
thanks
12:15:50 From Neiman Lib to Everyone:
How doyou verify things in Metaverse? Verification, without trusting any data provider, is hard in most blockchains, no?
12:16:13 From duncan to Everyone:
seems like middleware
12:16:30 From Andrew Foerster to Everyone:
what happens when/if someone takes your work and mints it and claims it as their own?
12:16:59 From Brookhawk to Everyone:
well, they say blockchains are trustless cause of consensus verification of miners or validator.
12:17:44 From Alex K to Everyone:
it’s like a voxel-y Second Life. Dizzying contrasts in level of detail.
12:17:47 From duncan to Everyone:
kind of
12:18:05 From vera to Everyone:
what is the discord, is it listed on webaverse?
12:18:16 From Benjamin De Kosnik to Everyone:
slow kid here, where is this virtual gallery in a pseudo container located? what platform?
12:18:35 From Trislit to Everyone:
Cryptovoxels
12:18:37 From traffic lights to Everyone:
how many years until humanity accepts virtual worlds as real and they´ll live on it as if it part of our inherent reality?
12:18:39 From chee to Everyone:
Florence, Italy
12:18:45 From Trislit to Everyone:
You can access it at cryptovoxels.com
12:19:01 From Lucy A. Sames to Everyone:
thanks Jin, loved that
12:19:03 From Brookhawk to Everyone:
This is invite to Jins Webaverse discord https://discord.gg/zMKXwTcu
12:19:37 From Benjamin De Kosnik to Everyone:
thanks jin, looked cool! thanks for the linkage @Trislit
12:19:47 From Brookhawk to Everyone:
Thank you Jin
12:19:51 From jin to Everyone:
:)
12:20:05 From Trislit to Everyone:
Sure great talk jinn!
12:20:08 From justynabadach to Everyone:
The first speaker just said “he wants to own the stuff he took from someone else” and that many of his NFT’s are gifts from other people. Why does he feel he has the right to claim intellectual property rights over stuff other people have made?
12:20:14 From Matt J, PDT to Everyone:
Thanks Jin. Very cool, very interesting.
12:21:15 From sarah to Everyone:
they are also beautiful rugs
12:21:22 From Maggie Murphy to Everyone:
lol sarah
12:21:42 From Benedict Lau to Everyone:
lol isn’t that one of the most basic things that you _shouldn’t_ be able to do with NFTs
12:22:14 From duncan to Everyone:
i would hate to have the ability to update my website from 1998. html still works
12:22:59 From Null Flancian to Everyone:
(I'm taking some public notes on https://anagora.org/hope-or-hype-for-art, will include all links posted here -- I got here late so I'm unsure if there are group notes anywhere else, but that URL lets you add your own if you want)
12:23:08 From jin to Everyone:
if someone gave me the NFT of something, itll no longer be in their inventory. nfts don't automatically mean IP rights.
12:23:49 From duncan to Everyone:
nice public utility
12:24:02 From Alex K to Everyone:
presumably you need to feed some filecoins into it to get your content to persist indefinitely
12:24:30 From Brookhawk to Everyone:
not really, when you have an NFT where Art is not "on chain" you have ownership of the token. The token is like a title. not the art itself. But there are Projects where the MetaData is all on Chain. They are valued more by peeps..
12:25:13 From Trislit to Everyone:
Until you get hit by the storage medium going offline its hard to understand the issue I feel
12:25:17 From Alex K to Everyone:
if your NFT becomes the next Dawson Crying GIF or something, and everyone wants to access it, would it not suddenly start costing more? or would filecoin contracts keep gatewaying it?
12:25:42 From Tre Balchowsky to Everyone:
How do we make this more accessible to less technical artists?
12:26:12 From justynabadach to Everyone:
Jin you correct but they can be copyrighted and/or use copy righted material. If there is profit involved that would be a copyright infringement…
12:26:17 From Benjamin De Kosnik to Everyone:
OMG TY Wendy
12:26:31 From Molly Mackinlay to Everyone:
https://blog.ipfs.io/2021-04-05-storing-nfts-on-ipfs/
12:26:35 From Benedict Lau to Everyone:
I have a site on IPFS which we don’t want to be an NFT, is there a way to prevent someone else from pinning it as an NFT under their ownership?
12:26:39 From Molly Mackinlay to Everyone:
https://docs.ipfs.io/how-to/best-practices-for-nft-data/#types-of-ipfs-links-and-when-to-use-them
12:26:45 From Molly Mackinlay to Everyone:
https://docs.ipfs.io/how-to/mint-nfts-with-ipfs/#minty
12:26:59 From Molly Mackinlay to Everyone:
https://nft.storage/ <— this is the new one! Go check it out!
12:27:08 From Brookhawk to Everyone:
How do we make this more accessible to less technical artists?
It is really simple actually. go to to OpenSea.com or join some discords, read medium articles.. a lot of artists helping other artists out there..
12:27:21 From Benedict Lau to Everyone:
or is it like patents where I have to defensively pin it before anyone else does...
12:27:48 From duncan to Everyone:
there are many middlemen project to take advantage of the tech inept. Technical artists need to show the way for others who want to learn the new medium fully
12:27:59 From Molly Mackinlay to Everyone:
I think we can and should make this space super accessible to non-technical artists!
12:28:11 From Trislit to Everyone:
If its referenced by an oft token you have a record of first creation events, which could give you leverage in court if you had to defend your ip claim down the road
12:28:12 From duncan to Everyone:
tech is an integral part
12:28:33 From vera to Everyone:
I used to write real estate tokens for a job
12:28:38 From Micah to Everyone:
The project that made me curious about NFTs instead of just mad at proof of work was one where the associated content was explicitly licensed as public domain (it was the artist's music, which they released as CC0). People still "bought" the NFTs even though it didn't signify that the "buyer" had exclusive rights to the content, because they wanted to support the artist.
12:28:50 From Brookhawk to Everyone:
Agreed, a lot of people taking advantage of people also..
12:28:56 From jin to Everyone:
theres a popular saying in crypto, 'trust but verify'
12:29:08 From Molly Mackinlay to Everyone:
As more marketplaces and minting apps adopt these best practices, it means artists don’t have to worry about it (nft.storage is a great tool for marketplaces directly!)
12:29:39 From Nick to Everyone:
I'm new to NFTs, however this is very interesting.
12:29:40 From duncan to Everyone:
ethereum is not the only hope for cryptoart
12:29:46 From duncan to Everyone:
or home
12:30:03 From Gavin Doughtie to Everyone:
I've heard that FLOW and WAX chains are handling a much higher volume of NFT transactions than the ETH chain is
12:30:12 From vera to Everyone:
can't you copyright any digital representation?
12:30:24 From duncan to Everyone:
anyone with tons of money can clone what works
12:30:47 From vera to Everyone:
interesting
12:30:48 From vera to Everyone:
thank you
12:31:01 From Lucy A. Sames to Everyone:
Sorry if this is a stupid question, but are sales the only way that people make money from nfts?
12:31:34 From duncan to Everyone:
money making is not the only intention of a true artist, imho
12:31:46 From Lucy A. Sames to Everyone:
@duncan no of course
12:32:04 From duncan to Everyone:
but there are very many profiteers
12:32:21 From jin to Everyone:
in terms of sales, there's primary sales + typically 10% royalties from secondary sales
12:32:31 From Micah to Everyone:
Thanks everyone! I gotta go to work for an hour but hopefully people will still be around chatting when I'm done
12:32:46 From duncan to Everyone:
again. why royalties? mostly an ethereum problem, middle men fees
12:32:59 From Lucy A. Sames to Everyone:
Thanks Jin
12:33:04 From sarah to Everyone:
artist resale rights is a very old debate in the arts - dates to 1889
12:33:06 From Brookhawk to Everyone:
100% Existing terrestrial laws still apply and are not changed by the fact that art is "tokenized".
12:33:26 From jin to Everyone:
royalties are great for artists
12:33:43 From duncan to Everyone:
artists make art. profiteers make profit
12:33:52 From James Baicoianu to Everyone:
artists pay rent and eat food
12:33:56 From Benjamin De Kosnik to Everyone:
There was a good article in the reading list about who make $$ in the NFT space: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1425Y5mVr1Ky_FnpjKx5fMPyjipOEppeOJTdncFvrSuo/edit
12:34:08 From chee to Everyone:
is anyone here to talk about the carbon footprint of NFTs
12:34:13 From duncan to Everyone:
weird. i thought everyone ate food, not just starving artists
12:34:15 From Brookhawk to Everyone:
prob
12:34:31 From Benjamin De Kosnik to Everyone:
https://powerdada.medium.com/the-inconvenient-truth-about-secondary-markets-part-ii-6c148a917a08
12:34:39 From duncan to Everyone:
carbon footprint is another complication of the nonfungile lie sold to the public
12:34:42 From James Baicoianu to Everyone:
yes, everyone eats food and we all have to make money to support ourselves
12:35:01 From duncan to Everyone:
money is not a basic human need
12:35:07 From duncan to Everyone:
lol whoops
12:35:12 From James Baicoianu to Everyone:
in today's society it kind of is :)
12:35:19 From duncan to Everyone:
that is the narrative
12:35:20 From Melanie to Everyone:
Could creating an NFT create conflict of copyright?
12:35:31 From Benedict Lau to Everyone:
I don’t mean to imply NFT -> IP, but assuming I don’t have an “oft token” or any sort of proof of creation, other than having pinned my website on IPFS, if someone else makes an NFT out of that, and sells it to those who want to “support” the website, how do I “reclaim” the NFT or the support it receives actually doesn’t belong to me. While I have created the website, the person who made it into an NFT is the one who is entitled to the support?
12:35:39 From vera to Everyone:
accessibility is key
12:35:42 From jin to Everyone:
https://cryptoart.io/data total value of cryptoart (mostly from past few months), ~683M
12:35:42 From vera to Everyone:
thanks for mentioning that
12:36:10 From jin to Everyone:
https://www.coingecko.com/en/dex 24 hour DEX volume, ~10B lol
12:36:13 From Brookhawk to Everyone:
Big movement now Away from Etherum to mint art, to Carbon friendly Chains like Waxx and tezos
12:36:13 From duncan to Everyone:
marketcap is such a dishonest measurement
12:36:27 From jin to Everyone:
so Is trying to measure the footprint of 1 NFT
12:36:44 From Melanie to Everyone:
I'm asking what Benedict is asking, sort of.
12:37:11 From Benjamin De Kosnik to Everyone:
jin how do you measure energy use of NFTs and virtual gallery spaces? what do you think can be done to improve the power consumption issues?
12:37:44 From Allison Tanenhaus (she/her) to Everyone:
love HEN!
12:37:59 From jin to Everyone:
we're building with sidechains and layer 2 to improve efficiency, is ETH compatible so when ETH2,0 rolls out can transfer back over
12:38:19 From Brookhawk to Everyone:
Virtual gallery = Websites for engnery consumption... , the energy consumption is only in the minting and transfer of NFTS
12:39:14 From jin to Everyone:
https://async.art/ was mentioned by speaker, really cool platform.. programmable art
12:41:01 From Brookhawk to Everyone:
yeah Allison me too. HEN uses the tezos chain for minting and selling art https://www.hicetnunc.xyz/
12:42:05 From Benedict Lau to Everyone:
are NFTs any _more_ energy hungry than regular ETH Tx?
12:42:16 From chee to Everyone:
are there any speakers here who are actually critical of NFTs?
the description of the talk seemed like it was going to be asking if NFTs were a good or bad idea
12:42:43 From chee to Everyone:
but it seems everyone is basically "👍👍👍"
12:43:01 From traffic lights to Everyone:
NFTs are here to stay
12:43:11 From Trislit to Everyone:
Nfts aren’t any more energy intensive then normal eth transactions
12:43:25 From Catherine they/them to Everyone:
are Nft
12:43:29 From Brookhawk to Everyone:
NFTs , blockchain and crypto are a massive area, good uses , bad uses, good people bad people, its not a yeah or Nay thing..
12:43:38 From traffic lights to Everyone:
being an artist will be more profitable than being an engineeri
12:43:46 From Gavin Doughtie to Everyone:
I wonder if a lot of the pushback on NFTs and their environmental impact is rather the intermediaries of the art market trying not to get dis intermediated.
12:43:47 From traffic lights to Everyone:
the age of imagination
12:44:06 From duncan to Everyone:
i am anti "NFT" because the term is indicative of ignorance as a term to differentiate when every satoshi is nonfungible. i am pro-cryptoart
12:44:16 From Catherine they/them to Everyone:
have NFTs a larger carbon footprint than normal storage of data?
12:44:31 From Brookhawk to Everyone:
No
12:45:01 From Benedict Lau to Everyone:
@trislit tis for clarifying that
12:45:05 From Benedict Lau to Everyone:
*tks
12:45:11 From Brookhawk to Everyone:
Its minting or transfer of NFT that consume any energy. something that has to be written to the blockchain etc..
12:45:16 From Benjamin De Kosnik to Everyone:
is there a way to NFT on chia blockchain?
12:45:33 From traffic lights to Everyone:
i think the planet won´t survive past 2100 due to climate change that started decades ago
12:45:37 From Nick Fox-Gieg (TO) to Everyone:
imo, IPFS is a bigger story--the idea that you can pay once to publish something permanently, rather than maintain a server with a regular subscription, is a subtly enormous shift
12:45:45 From Trislit to Everyone:
Im not saying there’s no environmental impact, but nft creation didn’t make it worse then it already was
12:45:46 From chee to Everyone:
i think the people who are critical of NFTs are critical of blockchain in general
12:45:58 From duncan to Everyone:
nonfungibility and power grid stabilization are core to the disinformation
12:46:07 From Benjamin De Kosnik to Everyone:
@Nick Fox-Gieg, agree about IPFS
12:46:14 From YARcce to Everyone:
Blockchain energy use is being discussed as an energy management tool to enable a fully renewable electric grid
12:46:26 From Brookhawk to Everyone:
btw, Tether and other financial products are 90% of the energy consumption from blockchains///
12:46:39 From Brookhawk to Everyone:
art is a smigit
12:46:44 From duncan to Everyone:
PoS was a lie sold by eth before launch
12:46:51 From chee to Everyone:
it's been in beta for a while huh
12:47:02 From traffic lights to Everyone:
if ethereum doesn´t change its proof it will die
12:47:15 From Alex K to Everyone:
I think I saw something about thinking about beta Proof of Stake in 2018
12:47:28 From Andreas Weisser to Everyone:
I have to leave, sorry. Great discussion, thanks to all Speakers.
12:47:30 From duncan to Everyone:
when eth changes to PoS the miners will fork and every NFT will have a copy
12:47:53 From traffic lights to Everyone:
also question, will this stream be posted somewhere? I think this is a great discussion
12:47:53 From Trislit to Everyone:
Maybe, but they would all kill any profit they are sitting on if they did
12:48:07 From Gavin Doughtie to Everyone:
Let's put it on IPFS and sell tokens.
12:48:13 From Robert Best to Everyone:
it's a myth that this relates to copyright? (I think that's what was said?) so this shouldn't be thought of relating to / affecting property?
12:48:23 From Mai Ishikawa Sutton (she/they) to Everyone:
Yes the recording of this discussion will be posted, likely by next week
12:48:26 From Alex K to Everyone:
I agree about the IPFS part, though. The nft.storage page says “Guaranteed to be available in IPFS”, which coming from the storage world is an extremely strong statement that I want to investigate
12:48:33 From duncan to Everyone:
if you low fee the eth tx you get NO REFUND. plus these will be made forever. Use btc low fee and you will get a refund if not picked up
12:49:05 From jin to Everyone:
50 cents of matic can do thousands of transactions :)
12:49:40 From Molly Mackinlay to Everyone:
Maybe better to say “attempt to guarantee” Alex K. =] we’re using 3 different persistence solutions (Piñata, IPFS Cluster, and Filecoin), but impossible to 100% guarantee anything!
12:50:11 From duncan to Everyone:
lower fees. lower difficulty. lower security
12:50:29 From Nick Fox-Gieg (TO) to Everyone:
I forget the link but I saw a wonderful paper on SSDs from the mid-'00s that was, like, you are going to lose your stuff if you depend on them right now, but this is what we're all gonna be using soon.
12:50:31 From Brookhawk to Everyone:
look at the burners of Etherum gas , all financial stuff, nothing to do with art here .. its a big prob, no doubt, do some research on Tether if you want to get energized.. https://ethgasstation.info/
12:50:35 From vera to Everyone:
What was that org that pays fees for people?
12:51:02 From duncan to Everyone:
narrative control
12:51:19 From sarah to Everyone:
Circles UBI
12:51:35 From Alex K to Everyone:
I mean we’re not all using SSDs, though, by any means
12:52:28 From duncan to Everyone:
art represent the token or token represent the art
12:52:58 From duncan to Everyone:
eat more pudding
12:53:00 From Alex K to Everyone:
@Molly: I figured from the “We’ll do filecoin contracts” part of the page that was the case — I am going to have to read up on who is specifically promising what to who. I’ve done some very minor reading about filecoin technical details
12:53:00 From Brookhawk to Everyone:
token = title like title rep land or car..
12:53:27 From Trislit to Everyone:
Haha but well researched arguments aren’t very exciting
12:53:28 From Nick Fox-Gieg (TO) to Everyone:
Give it another 50 years re: SSDs; if I count right we're still in "size of a washing machine and holds 5MB" in equivalent hard drive time
12:53:38 From Brookhawk to Everyone:
but without legal standing in many cases..
12:54:30 From Benedict Lau to Everyone:
I definitely feel “energy consumption” is a PoW problem that needs to be discussed at the “blockchain level” conversation. My discontent with NFTs has more to do with “not being able to sustain art outside of an ownership based culture and we have to take a step back to making something a scarce resource you can speculate on”. Like, why NFT > Patreon? Why does Patreon not work well enough?
12:55:19 From duncan to Everyone:
patreon is a website. cryptoart uses a blockchain
12:55:21 From Alex K to Everyone:
I suppose that Patreon represents centralization at some level. A centralized middleman? But it certainly does keep some artists paid.
12:55:24 From Gavin Doughtie to Everyone:
Patreon represents an intermediary; the market would generally prefer to eliminate those when technology makes that economically feasible.
12:55:30 From Molly Mackinlay to Everyone:
Sounds good, @Alex! Feedback welcome on any of the wording that is misleading or needs more details - definite don’t want to over promise!
12:55:37 From Colin Lamont to Everyone:
"The problem with NFTs is the same problem with ICOs. 99% of people are buying to sell."
12:55:51 From Molly Mackinlay to Everyone:
(Can DM me at @momack28 on twitter if think of anything later)
12:56:08 From duncan to Everyone:
if you wanna get cyptoart from patreon, i got you. packages will be up SOONtm
12:56:16 From Trislit to Everyone:
I think the feeling of using a separate monetary device that’s separated from your personal bank account makes it feel less like your putting yourself in a potentially precarious financial situation by buying in early, which is why crypto based token sales are easier to gain funds through then pattern might be
12:56:25 From Benedict Lau to Everyone:
vera I can bootstrap trust for you at circles UBI. all of us at hypha at on circles
12:56:37 From Brookhawk to Everyone:
I agree, Crypto gamblers, FOMO, get rich quick mentality, bad players, has tainted "NFTs" NFTs got sucked into this bubble, but they have a real function , especially in the Metaverse.
12:56:38 From James Baicoianu to Everyone:
@Benedict Lau isn't that essentially the same as asking, why should artists sell their art to make money when they could be paid by patrons to produce it? and the answer is that that would be nice, but that as a society we just haven't been very good about allocating money for the arts?
12:56:40 From Benjamin De Kosnik to Everyone:
Ruth, yes. Art World money sucks all the air out of the room for 'art as a field of knowledge'
12:57:06 From chee to Everyone:
ah, damien hirst
12:57:11 From mark seiden to Everyone:
what is it that someone actually *buys* when they spend millions of dollars for an NFT?
12:57:27 From jin to Everyone:
NFTs can make/enhance a patreon. Patreon alone, many top creators i know don't make enough there to evolve it beyond a hobby.
12:57:27 From Alex K to Everyone:
@Molly I do technical writing for storage companies sometimes, when I read things like that my brain wants to learn underlying details. There should be a Kill Bill-style zoom-in
12:57:46 From mark seiden to Everyone:
do they get an exclusive right to something? is it like buying a painting? or a right to a copy of something? like 1 of 100 etchings?
12:58:07 From Molly Mackinlay to Everyone:
Oh awesome! let’s definitely connect, we need more tech writers ;)
12:58:16 From chee to Everyone:
thank you, ruth
12:58:42 From Benedict Lau to Everyone:
re: Patreon, I don’t mean the platform being centra, but in Patreon you don
12:58:52 From Benedict Lau to Everyone:
don’t need to “mint” a seat for supporter
12:58:56 From jin to Everyone:
NFTs can also open up price discovery for artists
12:59:02 From Benedict Lau to Everyone:
you can have as many supporters as you like
12:59:05 From Molly Mackinlay to Everyone:
Note - it isn’t actually making the image or artwork itself “scarce”
12:59:15 From Benedict Lau to Everyone:
I don’t “speculate” on my patreon receipt
12:59:35 From justynabadach to Everyone:
Thank you Ruth. And so copyright will become an issue just like it is in the contemporary art object model they are replicating. The value is in the exclusivity not creativity.
12:59:54 From Trislit to Everyone:
Crypto opens up more markets I feel, patreon has a lot of issues where certain governments won’t allow you to participate, or it takes time to transfer funds, or other issues like that
12:59:56 From Benedict Lau to Everyone:
I guess the feature NFT offers over Patreon / Open Collective is “price discovery”
13:00:11 From duncan to Everyone:
NFT is a social problem indeed
13:00:54 From Benedict Lau to Everyone:
oooooh good point sarah. Maybe I really meant Open Collective, not Patreon (aka. no commitment for exclusive content)
13:01:03 From mark seiden to Everyone:
What is “price discovery”? figuring out what something is worth? aren’t auctions the recognized efficient way to determine that?
13:01:36 From jin to Everyone:
auctions / secondary market
13:01:51 From Benedict Lau to Everyone:
@mark yes NFTs seem to allow for a decentralized auction bc it represents some sort of scarcity
13:02:17 From duncan to Everyone:
imagine
13:02:29 From duncan to Everyone:
one theme
13:02:50 From duncan to Everyone:
"Feels Good Man"
13:02:54 From jin to Everyone:
digital art collectives
13:03:32 From Philip to Everyone:
Love that
13:03:38 From duncan to Everyone:
might wanna check out what CounterParty has been doing for years
13:03:44 From Trislit to Everyone:
Yea i agree with that, patreon has a different feel for the creator, where they are being held to certain commitments that sometimes require refunds if it can’t happen, which limits the types who are willing to use the platform too
13:04:04 From Benedict Lau to Everyone:
+1 interested to hear about this possibility
13:04:26 From duncan to Everyone:
back in 2017 i made my first work of cryptoart heh. memories
13:04:59 From Benedict Lau to Everyone:
I think Open Collective doesn’t have that, it
13:05:07 From duncan to Everyone:
first thing to understand is blockchain, which is not money
13:05:13 From Benedict Lau to Everyone:
it’s just supporting an existing project for their roadmap
13:05:56 From jin to Everyone:
NFTs could be made as digital swag for supporting open source projects
13:06:02 From duncan to Everyone:
the gamechanger no one is talking about is that this is bottom up movement. dont let the top down narrative controls influence your reality
13:06:35 From Tre Balchowsky to Everyone:
Duncan, what do you think the bottom up narrative is?
13:06:50 From Nick Fox-Gieg (TO) to Everyone:
What do you think is going to happen to general computing when the current really huge requirements to seed on IPFS (I read on the site that 8-core CPU, 10xx or better Nvidia GPU, 128GB RAM, 1TB NVME SSD are the _minimum_) become average phone specs
13:07:33 From vera to Everyone:
is there a link to speaker bios on dweb website?
13:07:52 From Robert Best to Everyone:
high-tech and high society
13:08:13 From Mai Ishikawa Sutton (she/they) to Everyone:
@vera Speaker bios are available on the eventbrite page: https://www.eventbrite.com/e/dweb-meetup-may-2021-nfts-hope-or-hype-for-art-tickets-152562471459
13:08:26 From chee to Everyone:
"everyone"
13:08:34 From duncan to Everyone:
very thankful for the reading list
13:08:59 From mark seiden to Everyone:
@molly i thought you said what was on the blockchain was a receipt, not the art itself
13:09:12 From jin to Everyone:
isn't traditional art market 65B ?
13:10:06 From mark seiden to Everyone:
marlboro man/rasta photos
13:10:07 From Molly Mackinlay to Everyone:
True - but the receipt points to the art itself which anyone can view =]
13:10:53 From mark seiden to Everyone:
@molly how is that guaranteed?
13:10:55 From Molly Mackinlay to Everyone:
Example of what the receipt looks like: https://docs.ipfs.io/how-to/mint-nfts-with-ipfs/#mint-the-file
13:10:59 From duncan to Everyone:
why twitter, cant the eth blockchain be read?
13:11:07 From mark seiden to Everyone:
(i meant richard prince)
13:11:11 From Andrew Foerster to Everyone:
Have you heard of Ureeqa? apparently it's a new software that will copyright claim for NFTs
13:11:15 From duncan to Everyone:
lol. try counterparty. very cut and dry where named tokens come from
13:11:58 From jin to Everyone:
twitter = stake reputation
13:11:59 From Molly Mackinlay to Everyone:
@Mark - I guess you can put a link to a password-protected website or something, but then you could “rug-pull” the content from under the NFT owner...
13:12:03 From vera to Everyone:
I archived bio page fyi: https://www.notion.so/DWeb-Meetup-May-2021-NFTs-Hope-or-Hype-for-Art-Tickets-Tue-May-4-2021-at-10-00-AM-Eventbrit-8c1ef1dc1621430fbcfd57b1aa0e37f1
13:12:07 From Mai Ishikawa Sutton (she/they) to Everyone:
https://getdweb.net/principles
13:12:25 From duncan to Everyone:
angel.co/cryptoart
13:12:32 From Brookhawk to Everyone:
same as if they made a print of your real life art work. Same legal options. the problem is, people are often anonymous and in a different (or no) jurisdiction in blockchain space. All problems with blockchain are usually the same as a mirroring irl situation..
13:13:27 From wei li (they/he, Huichin land) to Everyone:
happy to see indigenous data governance listed as inspiration
13:13:39 From Mai Ishikawa Sutton (she/they) to Everyone:
If you'd like to sign on as a supporter of the DWeb Principles, please fill out this form: https://form.jotform.com/210466965675165
13:13:40 From Wendy Hanamura to Everyone:
Folks: if you were to assign a number 1-5 vis-a-vis our principles, how would NFTs rate?
13:14:02 From James Baicoianu to Everyone:
@duncan linking with twitter is about letting the artist tie their known public/verifiable identity with the token on the eth chain, so you can positively prove that tokens were issued by the artist and not by someone selling someone else's work
13:14:20 From Mai Ishikawa Sutton (she/they) to Everyone:
More background on how these Principles were developed: https://blog.archive.org/2021/02/18/behind-the-scenes-of-the-decentralized-web-principles/
13:14:21 From duncan to Everyone:
you need to answer the question for yourself. not me
13:14:36 From duncan to Everyone:
middlemen make platforms out of protocols
13:14:48 From duncan to Everyone:
and they need to remedy the problems they create
13:14:58 From wei li (they/he, Huichin land) to Everyone:
was reading this recently, feels related to the principles - https://www.andalsotoo.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/Building-Consentful-Tech-Zine-SPREADS.pdf
13:15:49 From Mai Ishikawa Sutton (she/they) to Everyone:
@wei li - cool, thanks for sharing!
13:16:10 From Benedict Lau to Everyone:
@duncan if you stick your twitter, reddit, keybase, github, linkedin, all onto the contract. does that make identity decentralized?
13:17:20 From duncan to Everyone:
reddit? (pukes)
13:17:29 From jin to Everyone:
lol
13:18:24 From Brookhawk to Everyone:
02. Distributed Benefits is the tough one and tricky, if you look at small projects, that you never heard of , (i.e. nobody getting rich), distributed benefits are common.. in massive $$$ project that you hear about, Distributed benefits could be 0
13:18:26 From Molly Mackinlay to Everyone:
“Agentive” - I like it! New word
13:18:31 From duncan to Everyone:
multi channel conformity is not exactly decentralized
13:19:04 From Benedict Lau to Everyone:
so what is the recommendation to bootstrap non-pseudonymous identities?
13:19:30 From duncan to Everyone:
eat more pudding
13:19:38 From duncan to Everyone:
use the blockchain of choice
13:20:54 From duncan to Everyone:
oofff
13:22:21 From Derin Korman to Everyone:
Jin is making a case against grading here
13:25:04 From Benjamin De Kosnik to Everyone:
pixels gotta be powered, yo
13:25:17 From duncan to Everyone:
power to the pixel pushers <3
13:25:47 From tmc to Everyone:
Lovely conversation! Thanks all
13:25:53 From Benjamin De Kosnik to Everyone:
thanks IA for hosting!
13:25:56 From Suzanne Inge to Everyone:
Thank you so much!
13:25:58 From vera to Everyone:
thank you!!!
13:26:05 From wei li (they/he, Huichin land) to Everyone:
thanks !!
13:26:17 From Kev O to Everyone:
Thanks everyone!!
13:26:23 From Ruth Catlow to Everyone:
Thanks Wendy and everyone!
13:26:28 From Trislit to Everyone:
I agree, thanks for this!
13:26:29 From Nick Dunmur to Everyone:
Thanks to the panellists.
13:26:30 From Ins Tructor to Everyone:
What is the password?
13:26:30 From Ignacio Ercole • they/them • Huichin land to Everyone:
Thanks!
13:26:31 From Mark Mavroudis to Everyone:
Very interesting discussion.
13:26:34 From Roland Osborne to Everyone:
Thank you Wendy and everyone
13:26:34 From Henry Caicedo | Cinemateca de Bogotá to Everyone:
Thank you
13:26:36 From September to Everyone:
Thank you!
13:26:38 From duncan to Everyone:
thanks everyone!!!
13:26:41 From Andrew Foerster to Everyone:
thank you!! :)
13:26:42 From jin to Everyone:
gg!
13:26:46 From Sandeep Gupta to Everyone:
thank you!
13:26:48 From mariemolins to Everyone:
thanks a lot !!
13:26:52 From James Baicoianu to Everyone:
good talks, thanks everyone!
13:26:53 From jin to Everyone:
GetDweb
13:26:56 From Ins Tructor to Everyone:
Bye!
13:26:58 From Mai Ishikawa Sutton (she/they) to Everyone:
https://gather.town/yDLHcduAtUVGITWf/dweb
Password: GetDweb
13:27:08 From Natalya Ribinson to Everyone:
Thank you
13:27:31 From Brookhawk to Everyone:
this is like Pokémon on Gameboy lol
13:27:37 From Brookhawk to Everyone:
gathertown
13:27:51 From duncan to Everyone:
man. glad i didnt cross the line. serious :d much love
13:27:53 From Julian Kilkenny to Everyone:
thank you